1 City of Jacksonville April, CITY OF JACKSONVILLE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION Proceedings held on Wednesday, April, 0, commencing at :00 p.m., Ed Ball Building, North Hogan Street, Conference Room 00, st Floor, Jacksonville, Florida, before Diane M. Tropia, a Notary Public in and for the State of Florida at Large. PRESENT: JACK C. DEMETREE, III, Acting Chair. ERIK C. KASPER, Commission Member. ANDRES LOPERA, Commission Member. TIMOTHY BRAMWELL, Commission Member. ALSO PRESENT: CHRISTIAN POPOLI, Planning and Development Dept. LISA SHEPPARD, Planning and Development Dept. SONDRA FETNER, Office of General Counsel. CANDACE LONG, Planning and Development Dept Diane M. Tropia, Inc., P.O. Box, Jacksonville, FL 0 (0 ) -000 P R O C E E D I N G S April, 0 :00 p.m THE CHAIRMAN: We'll start the April th version of the Historic Preservation Commission. Christian, if you would start us with some introductions, please. MR. POPOLI: Christian Popoli, Planning and Development. MS. SHEPPARD: Lisa Sheppard, Historic Preservation, Planning and Development. MS. FETNER: Sondra Fetner, Office of General Counsel. COMMISSIONER BRAMWELL: Tim Bramwell, commissioner. COMMISSIONER LOPERA: Andres Lopera, commissioner. THE CHAIRMAN: J.C. Demetree, chairman. COMMISSIONER KASPER: Erik Kasper, commissioner. THE CHAIRMAN: If you would like to speak on any issues today, if you'd please bring a speaker card up to the front here. And silence all of your cell phones. And any private conversations, please be had in the hallway. We're going to take a break every two hours. At this time, I will take a motion from the minutes from the March th, I believe, meeting. COMMISSIONER LOPERA: I motion to approve the minutes from the March th, 0, meeting. COMMISSIONER KASPER: Second. THE CHAIRMAN: All those in favor? COMMISSION MEMBERS: Aye. THE CHAIRMAN: Those opposed? THE CHAIRMAN: Hearing none, those minutes have been passed. We're going to go straight into our deferred items. Our deferred list today includes COA--0, Green Street; COA--0, Green Street; COA--0, Green Street; COA--0, Green Street; COA--0, Green Street. We're going to go ahead and defer all those items. Going into our Consent Agenda, I'll go ahead and read those off. Do any commissioners have any ex-parte to declare on the Consent Agenda? of sheets Page to of 0/0/0 0:: PM THE CHAIRMAN: Hearing none, we have COA--0, 0 Liberty Street; COA--0, 0 Post Street; COA--0, Lydia Court; COA--0, Lydia Court. Would anybody in the audience like to speak on the Consent Agenda? AUDIENCE MEMBERS: (No response.) THE CHAIRMAN: All right. MS. FETNER: You would need a motion to approve the Consent Agenda. THE CHAIRMAN: I need a motion to approve the Consent Agenda. COMMISSIONER LOPERA: I motion to approve the Consent Agenda. COMMISSIONER BRAMWELL: I second. THE CHAIRMAN: All those in favor? COMMISSION MEMBERS: Aye. THE CHAIRMAN: Those opposed? THE CHAIRMAN: Hearing none, you've approved the Consent Agenda. And we're going to move right into our first and only COA of the day, COA--0, 00 Gilmore Street.
2 City of Jacksonville April, Christian, do we have a staff report? MR. POPOLI: We do. This will be delivered by Lisa. MS. SHEPPARD: Okay. This is a three-part application, the first part being window replacement and the second part being window shutters. The third part is related to a driveway, which our recommendation is -- since it was on the same application, just indicates that this could be done administratively under the matrix. So the bulk of the report and my comments will be on the window replacement and the window shutters. What you have on the screen and in your book is photos that were provided by the applicant for the window survey. This is kind of an interesting case. This is a noncontributing structure that had some work done to it, I think, back in 0 that was done without approval and so it came to us as kind of a violation case. They did not want to have to come to the Commission, so they agreed to kind of, quote, reverse some of the work. It involved the removal of some windows on the side elevation that I'll show you in a second. And so we've got some kind of interesting window situation. The front elevation already had windows replaced many years ago. The Florida Master Site File photo -- or actually just the site file. We didn't have a Florida Master Site File. We just had our property site file. It does document that there were -over- windows on the structure. You can only see the upper portion of the facade, that they were definitely there, and that's consistent with what we're seeing throughout the rest of the structure. You can kind of see the sun room to the left there. That is a -over-. That is the original windows in that location for that particular feature, but the whole front otherwise has already been replaced. You can see the side of the house here (indicating), and it has one visible historic window in the upper -- but a lot of those have been replaced that are closer to the front. The ones that you're seeing towards the back of the upper -- or the second floor, those are historic windows, and that's where probably most of the issues that he's having with the remaining historic windows is occurring. And then there's another picture here, further back that's a little bit closer up. So aside from the sun porch, the remaining historic windows are kind of far back, as you can see in this picture looking down the neighbor's drive. This is a corner lot property and so the side street elevation, as you can see -- I guess you can see that here (indicating). So the side of the structure, as you're seeing here, you'll notice it really -- kind of a black interior. Those are windows that really don't have -- you can't -- they're not accessed from the outside -- or from the inside. The previous people that were renovating this, they did a lot of interior work that -- that they planned and had done that took out windows. And when it was identified as a violation, they agreed to put windows back in, but we don't control what happens on the inside, so they're on the outside, but they're not on the inside. This includes his kitchen 0/0/0 0:: PM Page to of of sheets space. So it's kind of hard to reverse the work, but -- So this is the sun room (indicating). And you can see on this frame that the two windows that are to the left of the sun room, those are also blacked out. The ones that are blacked out are -- they do have an exterior muntin, but they're a vinyl window. And so you've got a combination of aluminum windows on the front, historic windows on the sun room and in a couple of locations around the sides, and then you have a lot of these aluminum windows. He wants to replace the historic wood windows and the aluminum windows, leave the vinyl windows, and -- so that's the application. In addition to that, they want to do shutters, Bahama shutters, that would go over a number of these windows that are faux windows, basically. As far as the window replacement application goes, it -- there's a little less than half that are not original windows. There's still more original windows than not, but some of these do have issues, and I'll let
3 City of Jacksonville April, him get into that a little bit more since he's here today for us. He provided a very thorough window survey that's in your information. I did go on site. The windows in the sun room -- I mean, we've seen situations like this that have been repaired before, but the ones that are on kind of the back corner were a little bit more extreme, where it's a -over- pattern, but some of those lites had been combined. Like, it got broke at one point and they didn't repair the muntins, so it's like a single pane. So it's lost some integrity back there. We were recommending approval of the window replacement as long as he went back and matched the -over- window configuration. The -- we also had a concern -- since this is kind of a borderline case, we were wanting to see the front elevation. If this was going to happen and we were going to lose the remaining historic windows, we wanted to make sure that that got restored because that would help restore some of the original character that was to the building. On the shutters, Bahama shutters are 0 something that we don't normally see in the historic district. It doesn't really associate well with this style. There are regular shutters or more traditional shutters that are to each side of the window on the front elevation, and that's fairly compatible for a structure like this that has some Colonial Revival elements to it. So we were comfortable with the shutter concept and to -- to kind of close off some of those fake windows with them, as long as he went with that design versus the Bahama. And then we did provide a few limitations under Condition, under the shutters, for not requiring them around the sun room and stuff since that would be -- you wouldn't normally see that necessarily. So we gave him some flexibility where you've got like a large grouping of windows together. And I think that is everything that I've got. Again, I'll mention, this is a noncontributing structure, but it was built during the period of significance, so we felt that it had enough integrity that, you know, these things were still important, and that's why it's before you today. THE CHAIRMAN: All right. Thank you. Do any commissioners have any questions for Lisa? COMMISSIONER KASPER: Yes. The shutters, is the shutter a -- your condition was to provide the shutters. Is it shutters at every window or shutters at windows that are being replaced, shutters at windows that are blacked out? MS. SHEPPARD: I believe his proposal was to do it on the windows that are blacked out, and there was a couple other windows around the side, from a privacy standpoint, that they were interested in having some. We felt like, if they were going to be in kind of miscellaneous locations, that it needed to be at least on the visible elevations. And so we would want to see shutters stay on the front and -- and on the rest of the visible side there. COMMISSIONER KASPER: Okay. Thank you. THE CHAIRMAN: Does anybody else have questions for Lisa? of sheets Page to of 0/0/0 0:: PM COMMISSIONER BRAMWELL: Yeah. I had a -- one question. Is the condition that the shutters be this -- like Colonial Revival style, like seen in the picture here, and not Bahama windows -- MS. SHEPPARD: Yes. COMMISSIONER BRAMWELL: -- or Bahama shutters? MS. SHEPPARD: That is the condition. MS. FETNER: Through the Chair, for the determination that it's a noncontributing structure, even though you know when it was built, can you just elaborate on that determination since some of the commissioners might not be aware of how that works? MS. SHEPPARD: Yeah. And in this case -- these are always a little confusing for us because it's built within the period of significance. It's one of the first things that we look at. It obviously had some alterations to it, but not to the point that we would have considered it to be noncontributing, but that list was put together by consultants and it's kind of a stagnant thing. So that's my only guess, is that potentially that could
4 City of Jacksonville April, be it. Now, another possibility is that -- I could not find a Florida Master Site File on this property. So it may have been a default for not having it surveyed. And when the district was put together, it was assigned noncontributing status. All I could find was the picture they took, but I couldn't find any of the actual documentation on the house. And I called the State to see if they had a copy, and they didn't either. So I have a feeling that that may have been what happened, is that -- when we were doing the district designation, all the properties would have had to be -- you know, the idea was to categorize all of them as either contributing or noncontributing and perhaps somebody just, you know, defaulted to noncontributing in that case. MS. FETNER: So it's listed as noncontributing on the -- MS. SHEPPARD: Yes. MS. FETNER: Okay. So it wasn't left out or anything? MS. SHEPPARD: Right. It's not that it's not shown. It's just -- shown up as noncontributing. MS. FETNER: Okay. Thank you. THE CHAIRMAN: Does anybody else have any questions? THE CHAIRMAN: I'm going to open the public hearing. Is the applicant here? AUDIENCE MEMBER: Right here. THE CHAIRMAN: You can come on up. (Audience member approaches the podium.) THE CHAIRMAN: If you'd please state your name and address for the record, please. AUDIENCE MEMBER: Joseph Greaves, 00 Gillmore Street, Jacksonville, Florida 0. THE CHAIRMAN: She's going to swear you in. THE REPORTER: If you would raise your right hand for me, please. MR. GREAVES: (Complies.) THE REPORTER: Do you affirm that the testimony you are about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? MR. GREAVES: I do. THE REPORTER: Thank you. THE CHAIRMAN: How's it going? MR. GREAVES: Well, it's been a harried beginning of the week, but here we are, so just glad to get in front of you guys and try to get this process closed. THE CHAIRMAN: Great. MR. GREAVES: First off, 00 Gilmore Street is a historically noncontributing structure. We don't know exactly when it was built. Well, when we went through the house buying process -- we don't know exactly when it was built. Some documents say it was, some ', some '0, I believe, so who knows. We have three separate window styles in our house; the original wood windows, which you'll see here on the sun room; along the front here, these are aluminum replacement windows from the '0s era; and vinyl replacement windows, which was from the renovation. We bought this house in 0, early 0, and we bought it from some flippers. We didn't know that -- this is our first time buying a 0/0/0 0:: PM Page to of of sheets house, and we didn't know that this was such a huge issue, but we do have the issue and we're trying to work through it. We didn't black out the windows. We didn't do any of the stuff with the renovation. We just liked the inside of the house and the outside was nice, and then we kind of -- we've got to deal with some blacked-out windows. They look like -- I mean, they look awful. All of the windows themselves as a whole have no voice. They're all kind of disjointed. The house doesn't look fantastic in any way. On top of that, we have two areas of significant water damage. Here is the office in the -- at the west facing -- over here (indicating). And on the south facing -- it's a corner office. There's water damage from Hurricane Matthew and Hurricane Irma. Also, on this west-facing portion of the office there was enough water to be able to harbor and sustain some Formosan termites. We had to deal with that. We had that taken care of, but the termite professionals, they did say that there is some moisture below the window
5 City of Jacksonville April, sill framing, and that was what was harboring them, because they don't have to go to ground, they can stay above ground. Let's see what else. Oh, and along the -- sorry. In the dining room, which is essentially the sun room, every single window there leaks from the bottom, and we have water damage, wood rot below each one of these windows. We've got a problem of aesthetics and a functional problem with water damage. We want to fix this problem, but, I mean, anything you put into a house is going to be an investment. I mean, we're here for the foreseeable future. I'm a professional geologist, my wife is an environmental consultant, and we work here in Jacksonville and have for the past years, so we don't see that changing any time soon. We like the area, we want to stay here, but what we do want to do is fix our problems. So we didn't put in the vinyl replacement windows that are along here (indicating), but we want to -- we do want to make everything match. It doesn't make much sense to restore the windows and have everything kind of disjointed. We just want to replace the windows that we can replace and have everything match. That's essentially it. I want to fix the problem, but it's got to be an economically viable sort of situation. If we ever do sell the house, if we want to upgrade and stay in the area, restoring some windows is not going to add a whole lot of value to us. And having the front of the house look completely different than the sides is not going to add a whole lot of value to anybody, I think. So -- It's an historically noncontributing structure. We want to make everything kind of look nice. We want everything to look nice for us. We want everything to not have water damage, wood rot, and have the potential to harbor any more Formosan termites. The house is under a termite bond, but, still, it's a gigantic hassle. And if we have to tent our house, my wife is going to kill me. And we're going to have to get the whole house cleaned. It's going to be a nightmare, but -- So we want to replace it in some (inaudible) fashion and we wanted to adhere to the external styles, however ridiculously expensive they are. It's $ per individual style. If you multiply that times,, it adds a whole lot. So, I mean, we're willing to do -- I mean, we're willing to make the investment, but, I mean, we're going to have to see a return on the investment at some point, so -- As far as the Bahama shutters go, we don't like the blacked-out windows. We have to deal with them. We don't want -- we don't want the Bahama shutters on the front exterior. We only want them around the back and along the kitchen, which are blacked out. You can see right here (indicating). So just one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, and then all along the eastern side, which is all along down there (indicating). That actually is a truck (indicating). It's a box truck that hasn't moved since we bought the house in 0, but, again, we have to deal with that. So that's the extent of the Bahama shutters. It wouldn't be for every window. We agree that it wouldn't look nice. And it's not of sheets Page to 0 of 0/0/0 0:: PM historically accurate, I suppose, but that's essentially the long and short of the Bahama shutters. It's just going to give a chance to cover up the blacked-out windows and kind of make everything a little bit uniform. So we're here to conform to the area standards, but we also want it to be cost effective and look nice. So there we go. THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. Thank you. Does anyone have any questions? COMMISSIONER KASPER: Are you agreeing to the conditions? I couldn't -- I mean, I heard you say you wanted to do it historically, you wanted to do it right, you wanted to do it -- MR. GREAVES: Right. As I read the conditions and the stipulations, they say leave the windows on the sun room the way they are. I don't agree with that. I don't -- COMMISSIONER KASPER: Okay. COMMISSIONER BRAMWELL: That's a suggestion. MR. GREAVES: Oh, right. I should also say that Lisa Sheppard is fantastic in trying to work with me, but she is
6 City of Jacksonville April, from this sort of background. I'm a professional geologist. So we kind of -- when she says some things and terminology, they mean completely different things in engineering and structural geology. So I'm -- forgive me if I've misstated anything, but I'm not entirely sure what -- yes, so a suggestion, I'd rather not have that suggestion. But, yeah, I'm -- just want to replace all of the windows that are aluminum frame and original, and I hope you guys agree. THE CHAIRMAN: So looking through the conditions, it seems to me, other than the suggestion of Group here, you would agree with everything. And correct me if I'm wrong. MR. GREAVES: You're right, yeah. THE CHAIRMAN: And then when it comes to the shutters, you prefer the Bahamian style. MR. GREAVES: Right. The -- on the front facade. These shutters, obviously, are not functional. It's just for decoration. Even if they were functional, they would only cover about half these windows on the upstairs. So, yeah, I mean, for all intents and purposes, it's just there for decoration, it doesn't have any functional use. In the full application it has pictures of Bahama (inaudible) shutters. Some people call them Key West. Some people call them hurricane shutters. Essentially, the hinge is on the top and it folds up and kind of -- it does that (indicating). I guess the colonial style wouldn't offer any sort of shielding, or it -- blocking of the blacked-out windows, which look like garbage. We get asked about them constantly. COMMISSIONER KASPER: I think what the recommendation is -- so you've identified correctly that there are existing colonial shutters on each side of some of the windows and they're black. MR. GREAVES: Uh-huh. COMMISSIONER KASPER: You also identified that they're not quite the right dimension to -- if they were to close. MR. GREAVES: Sure. COMMISSIONER KASPER: But I think what the -- what staff is recommending is that you would then take those two shutters and put them in the closed position. MR. GREAVES: Right. COMMISSIONER KASPER: And they would cover that window. MR. GREAVES: Right. COMMISSIONER KASPER: So they would offer protection -- or shielding that blacked-out window. MR. GREAVES: Uh-huh. COMMISSIONER KASPER: And so I think the -- the logic is that, since there's already colonial shutters on there that are rectangular, that you would use the same type of shutter, just cover the window within -- pretending that the shutters were closed. MR. GREAVES: Yeah. It's -- I'm not a huge fan of that for a couple of functional reasons. COMMISSIONER KASPER: Okay. MR. GREAVES: One, it's a great way to -- I'm -- (inaudible) seal them correctly, or whatever. I mean, it's not going to offer a whole lot. I mean, it's just a place for insects and mold and moisture to kind of congregate and gather and eventually, you know, destroy a whole bunch of stuff there. Two, 0/0/0 0:: PM Page to of of sheets it's not what my wife wants. She wants the Bahama-style shutters. So, yeah. I mean, it also might look a little bit disjointed if some are closed, some are open. It's up to you guys, I suppose. THE CHAIRMAN: All right. Well, we'll talk about that. I'm assuming -- I've heard not much about the driveway. MR. GREAVES: Yeah. I think Lisa cleared it up. In her limited time and my limited time, we kind of found a time yesterday to kind of go through everything, and it seems that if the -- if the driveway as a whole is pavers, it can be the width of the two cars and not -- just the width of a -- you know, a 0-foot width, which would -- it would have to be if it was poured concrete. So I think we've come to that conclusion, so that's about it. I mean, it would be pavered. That's the only thing we want to do is pavered because that's what looks the best. And it's -- obviously, whatever dimensions are stipulated, that's what we would do. THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. MR. GREAVES: So we don't have any sort of
7 City of Jacksonville April, problem with that. We don't -- I'm not married to any sort of pattern, just tired of walking in dirt to my car. THE CHAIRMAN: Fair enough. Okay. Does anyone else have any questions? Because it seems to me we're good on the window replacement for the most part, good on the driveway. We've just got to talk about these shutters. MS. SHEPPARD: Through the Chair, when we spoke yesterday -- one of the conditions under the window was that the window replacement on the front be done first. I didn't know if the applicant wanted to speak to that at all as far as his concerns. I know that you mentioned something yesterday. I just -- MR. GREAVES: Right. MS. SHEPPARD: -- didn't want that to get lost. MR. GREAVES: Yes. If everything is approved -- I was talking with my wife about it yesterday. We're going to secure (inaudible) financing or whatever because we're not sure if we're going to be able to get anything done. We've gotten a couple of quotes, and -- I mean, if it's easier for everybody just to approve everything, we'll do it all at once and we don't have to worry about, you know, kind of staging it, and then (inaudible) potentially moving and leaving half the stuff done. So we'll do it however you guys want, and so -- I just want it to look nice. THE CHAIRMAN: Great. MS. SHEPPARD: So just to clarify, I mean, you can reword that condition if you want. I just wanted to make sure that those got accomplished as part of this project. But if it's all being done within a certain time frame, that might be another way of wording it so they can address the major issue first. THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. Does anybody else have questions for the applicant? THE CHAIRMAN: All right. You can sit down. We'll call you back up if we need you. MR. GREAVES: All right. THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you. And I will entertain a motion. COMMISSIONER KASPER: I make a motion to approve COA--0 with conditions. COMMISSIONER LOPERA: I second. THE CHAIRMAN: All right. COMMISSIONER KASPER: Discussion? THE CHAIRMAN: Uh-huh. COMMISSIONER KASPER: I just wanted to -- I'll comment on the shutters. I think the staff recommendation is accurate. I think that building -- the colonial shutters are more appropriate. I think the Bahama structures are not appropriate. I think when -- to address the concern of the homeowner regarding the moisture and such, the shutter would be a louvered shutter which would breathe. You could secure them with hinges and dog ears or dog -- tie dogs or dog something, the bracket that holds the windows, and you could open them and clean it and shut them back. THE CHAIRMAN: I tend to agree, only because I think the whole goal here is to make the uniforms -- I mean, excuse me, make the windows more uniform. And I think putting in different shutters is not going to accomplish that. It may accomplish you blocking the of sheets Page to of 0/0/0 0:: PM blacked-out windows, but I think the colonial shutters can do -- you can do the same thing. Anybody else? COMMISSIONER LOPERA: Yes. It will require some maintenance. Like you said, there -- it could be a breeding ground for wasps, bugs, things like that, so you'll have to open them up every now and then, spray them down with insect spray, but -- yeah, but the Bahama-style shutters would be more appropriate for, you know, Jax Beach, Atlantic Beach, but I think in this area, I agree with the commissioners, that -- and with the staff, that matching the front would be more historically appropriate. COMMISSIONER BRAMWELL: I agree with the staff report and everything he said as well. THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. Seeing as -- I think we're all in agreement here. Going through, real quick, the staff report, all the conditions, I'm -- I think I'm okay with. It seems like the applicant is okay with and. I would entertain if anybody wants to change anything as far as the -- Number on
8 City of Jacksonville April, the first recommendation -- on the first request, I don't necessarily think it needs to be. I'll see if anybody else wants to change anything. If not, then I'll take a vote. THE CHAIRMAN: All right. I don't need to go -- I mean, we've already -- it's already on the floor, correct? MS. FETNER: That's correct. THE CHAIRMAN: So all those in favor? COMMISSION MEMBERS: Aye. THE CHAIRMAN: Those opposed? THE CHAIRMAN: Hearing none, that motion carries with the current conditions listed. And we will move right along into New Business. We have a demo request at 0 Harvard Avenue. And Lisa or Christian, do we have a staff report? MR. POPOLI: Yes. Give me just one second here. I'll pull up the picture. All right. Much like last month and the month before, we reviewed the two structures 0 downtown. This is a Chapter 0 demolition hold review. Just to briefly go over the procedure, this is a contributing structure to a National Register District. So you are required to review that structure's potential demolition, weigh it against its potential qualifications using the same seven criteria that are used for a landmark designation. The outcome would be, if you find that it meets four of those criteria you would essentially put a hold on the demolition and then potentially consider a landmark for that property. If you find that it doesn't meet four -- and since you are reviewing it over the objection of the owner who wants to tear the building down, then if it doesn't meet those four criteria, the demolition would go forward. So based on that, staff, at this point, found that it -- we feel that it only really meets two criteria. A brief history of the building: According to the property appraiser's records, it was constructed in. It is a contributing property to the Ortega National Register District. The applicant is, again, requesting to tear it down. The two criteria that staff felt it met was its significance as a reminder of the cultural, historical, architectural, archaeological heritage of the city, state or nation. The building is part of the Ortega neighborhood. Again, it was built in, which is part of the second period of development in the Ortega subdivision, which is from to. The first period dates from 0 to. The neighborhood, again, goes back to 0 as part of the Ortega Company. It really grew during the land boom period of Florida. Most of its significance is really derived from its connection to the neighborhood as opposed to its individual significance. It does represent one of a small percentage of residences in the district that is both a masonry vernacular style construction, but specifically with a craftsman, more modern influence. Based on Joel McEachin's research, there's only -- pardon me. Approximately percent of the buildings in the district were of a masonry 0/0/0 0:: PM Page to of of sheets vernacular style and only percent of the overall structures were a craftsman influence. So you combine those, there's very few that would actually meet this style, but based on its -- you know, some of its architectural intrigue, but also its connection to the neighborhood, we felt that it met that criteria. We did not feel that it met Criteria B, C, D, E, or F. And then we did feel that it met Criteria G, which is its suitability for preservation. As you can see from the picture, it's a fairly unique structure. It does retain all of its original historic windows. It has a limited amount of alterations. The most notable -- give me just a moment -- is this rear addition, slash, enclosed porch -- rear porch that, obviously, was done after its original construction, but potentially definitely reversible. And, otherwise, the structure is fairly unaltered and is in fairly decent shape. The block and the roof appear to be in good shape. A lot of the decorative features,
9 City of Jacksonville April, like the columns, are still in very good shape, so it easily meets this criteria for rehabilitation. But, again, our findings are that it really just meets these two. So it doesn't rise to the level of four for a potential landmark designation. I'm happy to entertain any questions. THE CHAIRMAN: Does anybody have any questions for Christian? THE CHAIRMAN: Hearing none, I'll open the public hearing. Is the applicant here? AUDIENCE MEMBER: Yes. THE CHAIRMAN: Come on up. (Audience member approaches the podium.) THE CHAIRMAN: You'll have to give your name and address. AUDIENCE MEMBER: I'm Florence Calhoun. My address is 0 Ortega Boulevard, 0. THE REPORTER: Ma'am, I need to swear you in, if you would raise your right hand for me, please. MS. CALHOUN: (Complies.) THE REPORTER: Do you affirm that the testimony you are about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? MS. CALHOUN: Yes. THE REPORTER: Thank you. MS. CALHOUN: So I'm the director of finance and facilities at St. Mark's Episcopal Day School, and I'm here representing St. Mark's Church and School. We purchased this property in the fall of last year with the intentions of tearing down the structure to complete our play field. We actually had purchased the home next to it, which was demolished and made into play fields. So I have some pictures. We do plan -- you can't see -- in the front of the home there's a large oak, a large maple, which we do plan to keep those trees. This is our field, looking from the school side, and this is the home. (Tenders photographs.) THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you. MS. CALHOUN: We will fence the property with the same see-through, wrought-iron-style, aluminum fence. And this just completes the quadrant for our field. I had been -- we have talked to the neighbor next door, who knows that we plan to demolish the structure. He's also in conversation with us, or would like for us to purchase his home, but he knows this has been our desire for a while. I've been in the home. There would -- require much work for it to be habitable. So we would like to demolish it, plant grass, and add to our play field. THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. Does anybody have any questions for the applicant? COMMISSIONER KASPER: I have a question, but maybe through staff. I'm not sure if it's appropriate -- or even through counsel. So if it proceeds with demolition, would there be an opportunity for some potentially significant architectural elements to be -- MS. CALHOUN: Salvaged? COMMISSIONER KASPER: -- donated, salvaged, preserved? MS. CALHOUN: So we have agreed with the former owner -- they want the front door, but of sheets Page to of 0/0/0 0:: PM no one has -- we do not plan to keep any of it. So if someone wanted it, that's fine with us. I mean, it -- and we're not in the business of trying to sell these things either. We -- COMMISSIONER KASPER: Okay. Thank you. THE CHAIRMAN: Is anybody else here to speak on this application? AUDIENCE MEMBERS: (No response.) THE CHAIRMAN: Hearing none, I'll close the public hearing. And I do need a motion here? MS. FETNER: Yes. THE CHAIRMAN: So I will entertain a motion. COMMISSIONER KASPER: I'll make -- let's see, what is the motion? THE CHAIRMAN: To be approved, I believe. COMMISSIONER BRAMWELL: I'll make a motion to approve the request for demolition. COMMISSIONER KASPER: Second. THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. Does anyone have any thoughts on this one? COMMISSIONER KASPER: Just restating staff's points, it doesn't meet four of the seven criteria. It meets two of the criteria.
10 City of Jacksonville April, The owner wants to demolish it. I don't think there's anything else we can do. Just a suggestion to the opportunity to salvage some of the architectural elements. THE CHAIRMAN: That's pretty much where I'm at. Anybody else have any comments? THE CHAIRMAN: All those in favor? COMMISSION MEMBERS: Aye. THE CHAIRMAN: Those opposed? THE CHAIRMAN: Hearing none, the demolition is approved. And that concludes that. So we will move on to Old Business, the annual Historic Preservation Awards. MS. SHEPPARD: Yes. That very important event that we do once a year, that the commissioners play such a vital role in -- so basically, I'm just reminding everyone that it's on May rd. And I know we have some new commissioners that may never have been at this event. I think we do a pretty good job. It's in the main library auditorium, and it is -- it will be held May rd, Thursday, p.m. Christian just passed out the list of recipients that will be honored this year and the projects they're associated with. The way the ceremony normally works is that somebody does an intro to, you know, introduce the event. And the master of ceremonies, which is usually the chair -- but we may need a chair replace- -- or a master of ceremonies replacement. So hopefully somebody might be interested in that. It's not a bad job, but you have to be there for the entire time. So basically what they do after getting a wonderful introduction by myself or whoever is doing the first part of the ceremony, they would just introduce the categories and the commissioners that would be giving out the awards. And the other commissioners have taken a category, and they would read the scripts for each of the projects and announce the winners and be part of the photo op with the master of ceremonies, usually the chair. And we get a picture taken from that. But the -- so if you have an issue with reading a script that we write -- we try to get it to you at least a little in advance, although we're -- it won't be until next week, so you won't have too much time, but you're basically reading it and just welcoming them to the stage. There's a PowerPoint presentation going on in the background. And the room is a little on the darker side, so no one's really looking at you, they're really looking at the slides, but everyone seems to enjoy it. And we've had a lot of good response from it. So hopefully everybody else can attend. And, like I said, we are looking for a potential volunteer to be the master of ceremonies. THE CHAIRMAN: I'm going to nominate Ryan for that. COMMISSIONER LOPERA: I second. MS. SHEPPARD: It makes sense to pass the baton to that direction. COMMISSIONER KASPER: If Ryan is not available, I can do it. 0/0/0 0:: PM Page to 0 of 0 of sheets MS. SHEPPARD: Okay. Thank you. So everyone else is good with -- THE CHAIRMAN: I'll be there. I just won't be there the whole time. MS. SHEPPARD: Okay. We'll give you something to give out. THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. MS. SHEPPARD: And I guess that's it. Can you think of anything else? MR. POPOLI: (Inaudible.) MS. SHEPPARD: Yes. We expect to be done by :00. We do ask that you get there prior to the ceremony so we can do kind of a dry run. I'm not sure on the time of that yet. MR. POPOLI: I'll send out an . MS. SHEPPARD: We'll send out an . You know, it can be as early as :0. Since we have some new commissioners that's never done this before, there's a little bit of getting to know, like, when you're walking up to the stage and, you know, kind of moving around, so it might -- I would definitely plan on being there -- you know, try to mark off :00 through :00, if you can. It might only be the hour before, but we're going
11 City of Jacksonville April, to get with the library on what works best. I think that's it, unless anybody has any questions. THE CHAIRMAN: Not me. Anybody else? THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. Unless anybody has got anything else, I think we're adjourned. (The above proceedings were adjourned at :0 p.m.) STATE OF FLORIDA) ) COUNTY OF DUVAL ) CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER I, Diane M. Tropia, Florida Professional Reporter, certify that I was authorized to and did stenographically report the foregoing proceedings and that the transcript is a true and complete record of my stenographic notes. DATED this th day of May 0. Diane M. Tropia Florida Professional Reporter of sheets Page to of 0/0/0 0:: PM
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