, ALBERT 6804. 105 INDiiX CARDS: Pawnee Bawnee Bill Pawnee Boarding 3cho61 Freighter Wellington, Kansas Ponca Agency White itegle Otoe Agency- Red Rock Oeage Burial Customs Wild Game Jerked Meat Feather Dance
JOS.LILLIii, ALBERT. IWJLSVIi-:.... 6804 Interviev/er, Interview with Ooldie.?uly 19, 1937.,-.lb<_rt Lillie, 605 Granite 3t., Pavmee, Oklahoma. born Mooraington, Illinois, I»ly parents first came to Oklahoma in 187 r j.,.y sister end I came in 1880. ).'.y parents first located in lumner County *md a year later caine to Pavmee. My father.vorked at the Agency as well na my brot:i' ; r,gordon, njjr aister Lena^and Couain^Lucy Conant...y Irothc ^}';ordon f vorked cjt t/rf; "Agency office a3 on interpreter, rny 3ist'-r vzos matron a^t the Indian hjurdint' school and iry cousin was seamstress at the school, i freighited in 3upp.Moo for the Agency from Wellington,.ansas, by wuy of :-onca!^tj and i ed Rock. I woul'i Lrinr iri supplies for each of t.-:e tnree agencies; the ronce i..;ency >.l hitc* ^a^le Just south of Ponca/Jity, the ytoe Agency at :-ed Pock and on to ti.e Pavraee Agency. rnuro v«uo a pod truil, und aoall these Indians, were friendly, there wasn't rauch
107 LILLDS, ALBERT. INTERVIEW. I "6804-2 excitement on the trips. e could ftkke the trip from 'Wellington"Tjo~?oncer-&ity in-one sky?j and on to Pawnee the 1 ' - next day. There were never more than tvro or three wagons together at a time.! I freighted some dovn into the' Cheyenne and Apacije country, This was somewhat more exciting for these Indians were not so friendly and we always had to be on the watch for them. The Otoes were moved to Iklahoma in 1882 or 1883 and ' their Agency was established at lied Rock. to ii'he Pawnees, Ltoes and Poncaa were always friendly and visited back and forth a great deal, but the, Osagea and Pawnees were not, so friendly towaids one another.' The Osages had a custom of getting a scalp from a member of some other tribe whenever one of their heed men died, to be buried with him. It seems that they thought the oimer of the scalp vould be a sort of servant to tr.e Ivead.-.an viien they reached tht ila>py Hunting Ground, '.he Osages liked by the t'awnee?. I Later, after 12ie Osages quit getting
LELLIE, ALBKRT. INTERVIEW. ' 6804-3 r 108 scalps^ they would slip up on an Indian of another tribe and chop off hia hair to be buried wi Ui their Chief. One time ^n_jild_whitj_roan with a long white beard was in camp. The Indians wanted some hair for their burial so offered this old man two or three ponies for his beard. He consented until he saw the big long knife they brought to cut it off with, then he tried to run away. " -hey took him' down, however, and chopped off his beard anyway..'ihere was plenty of wild g^me here even after the Opening, 'inere were many deer end antelope as well as turkey but no buffalo. ihe Indians would go out west in 'the Fall to hunt buffalo as there were none here. une sunr.er day, right after the Opening, some of my cousins came here to visit, and we decided to p turkey hunting. It had been a very dry sun:.or 30..0.vent to a 3.ring about s ix rules, or$h of 1-awnee. 0 vent in the evening end c;jnped there all nijit. I believe*- that J the r.ight there v;ere severe! ' icus&nd turkeys that c to the spring to drink.? ^arly in- the morning \.e killed about fafteen half-grov/n turkeys ar>d car.a back to town.
109 LILLIE, ALEkRT. INTERVIEW?. ' 6804-4 The Indians lived mostly on wild game. They would jerk it, hang it on a line or in a tree and smoke it. In this way they kept it ivuite a long time. xhe Indians all lived in mud lodges in early days, usually each band living together, of course, they visited a lot and most of the time were either visiting other bands or tribes, or had.'visitors. The visiting bands usually brought the^food for the feasts then on the last'evening of the dance or pow wow the Indians visited would give presents to the guests. one time my brother and I attended a feather dance he!4'" in the mud'lodge south of Pawnee. persons that attended at that time. '.Ye were tie only vjbite In this dance there were twelve to sixteen men and'two women taking part. On the evening before the dance, they smoked the pipe once around the,,circle then had a feast. After eating, she feast was out in the open,~5l~l gathered in Ihe lodgja for tho danco-. Z&@~ 4 torn torn was -used to keep time. Lach larticipant had a stick with feathers stuck up and down on it. Ihese were uaed.as banners. -They formed in four straight lines at the back
110 LILLEE, ALBKRT. INTERVIEW. ' 6804-5 of the lod&e with the two women at the back. They then advanced in perfect order to the time of the torn torn to the other end of the lodge, then backed back to the starting place,.hey kept in perfect step and time, repeating the forward and backward marching continuously, four or five.hours and they were still dancing. He stayed,.e ^Lidn't know how long they kept it up but probably until moral ng. :.y brother, Gordon ; once told-me of attanding a scalp dance but 1 don't renember much about it. The only thing I remember was that he said Spotted..orse, a Pawnee Indian, in the coarse of the dance came out with the scalp of a red headed woman and enacted the scene of how lie went' into the camp," captured the wcman and scalped her, giving realistic screams that the woman gave, ihis dance was never repeated over the.sane acnlp. /